After an eventful month full of turns and twists for TBOR Action and our nation, President John Pudner winds down his extended tour across our Republic in McAllen, deep in the heart of Texas, analyzing and discussing the Supreme Court’s ruling on presidential immunity in response to Special Prosecutor Jack Smith’s numerous cases against former President Trump.
From the stakes, platform, and even candidates in the presidential election, to the down ballot implications for both sides of the aisle, the constitutional implications it presents, the politicization of the justice system and the Court, and the divisions evident within our country, the ruling has and will continue to have landmark implications for our Republic. But, more than anything else, the case has been and continues to be a microcosm of the increasingly complex and violate state of the forthcoming election season - one that, as Pudner and host Sergio Sanchez discuss, has had and will continue to bring twists and turns that will shape the future of our Republic.
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Supreme Court, immunity, campaign trail, case, prosecutor, Trump, november, president
SPEAKERS
Sergio Sanchez and TBOR Action President John Pudner
Sergio Sanchez 00:00
The Supreme Court has spoken on the issue of immunity for President Trump and joining me from Take Back Our Republic Action is my friend John Pudner. I'm looking at the recent developments on the 180's that Snopes has done on things like the Ashley Biden diary, the racists are good people Charlottesville thing, which is that's a lie, the documents case not going anywhere against Donald Trump, and, of course, the Court saying that say presidential privilege, this, that, and the other, and they keep documents, or keep information, and he's not above the law, they specified, but has previous presidents had enjoyed some executive privilege, this one will as well, anything as he was vested as president. So I'm recalling, but he used to say we're going to win so much, you're gonna get sick and tired of winning. I guess it's all clear for him to be on the campaign trail between now and November. Want to get your thoughts first on the decision by the Court yesterday?
John Pudner 01:09
These decisions are generally made to firmly state something that everyone always assumed was the case. I mean, if there were a prosecutor like Jack Smith 100 years ago, trying to throw political opponents in prison, and bankrupt them through legal fees and get them off the ballot, then the Supreme Court probably would have ruled on this 100 years ago. It should seem pretty obvious that the president does things his president that they shouldn't be prosecuted for, otherwise you prosecute presidents for people killed in a war like World War Two, my goodness. So, it seemed pretty obvious, and you had a lot on the left banking on this very partisan prosecutor Jack Smith, who got a prison sentence on a Virginia governor 10 years ago, and that was thrown out by the Supreme Court nine to nothing, but it accomplished its goal, bankrupted that governor, kept him from probably becoming a US Senator, etc, so it was just stating something that I think should have been pretty obvious for all of our history.
Sergio Sanchez 02:16
Outside of voting the wrong people, these stated, minded law fair individuals that could happen, and mostly from the left, it's been expressed numerous times recently, it could happen on the right as well, but outside of voting these wrong people out, is there anything else that can be done in the legal system to remove the license and practice of these individuals that are abusing their prosecutors chairs?
John Pudner 02:43
Well, it was interesting, because I'm not an attorney, but it was interesting that Clarence Thomas wrote that he thought Jack Smith was illegitimately appointed, which shouldn't have been allowed. Now, I don't want to pretend I'm an expert in that field, but that interesting, I'd love to hear attorneys go into that. But still, that's the problem, and sometimes these special prosecutors get so much power, and the idea that someone with all the resources of the Justice Department behind them can't find something to prosecute someone on. It's like the New York cases, where you run for office syaing you're gonna convict Donald Trump, and you don't even know what you're gonna convict them on, you're just getting elected to convict them on something. So certainly, it's out of hand, and the idea of the precedent that would have been sad if this had been successful - if a presidential election had been decided because the prosecutors had been successful in bankrupting the opponent, throwing them in prison, and/or getting them off the ballot, like the Colorado case, what precedent would that set in this country?
Sergio Sanchez 03:48
Last chance for the lefties to stick him, Donald Trump, in jail, and take them off the campaign trail, would be to throw him in jail up in New York at that hush money case. Do you think is going to wind up in jail or does he stay on the campaign trail?
John Pudner 04:03
I don't think he is. Of course, they keep saying seldom and none, but this judge even made a point of admonishing the the defense for throwing out the possibility that he could end up in prison during their arguments, and he basically said all that's very unlikely. So, I tell you, if he were to, after saying it was very unlikely, to try to encourage the jury to convict him, if he were then to do the exact thing he said was unlikely as part of his argument, would seem unbelievable, but obviously, they live in a different world in New York City.
Sergio Sanchez 04:31
That's true, and I think that, if he does wind up in jail, even for a few days, man, talk about pouring gasoline on the fire. Donations to the Trump campaign would skyrocket to the tune of hundreds of millions and it would almost be doing him a favor. If Donald Trump stays on the campaign trail, between now and Election Day in November, what would you recommend that he do as far as focusing on swing states, or African American communities, Hispanic communities, all those things, what does the campaign need to do between now and November?
John Pudner 04:33
I think he needs to keep the same demeanor he kept during the debate. He did that very well. You even finally had a couple more liberal press outlets admit that he delivered a good debate. It was controlled, it was message, it was focused on issues. I mean, people want to talk about how inflation, how the border obviously, you know that issue better from where you are than any of us, stopping the flow of criminals, and more importantly, fentanyl into the country through the border. He's just got to stay focused on the issues that impact people, and we all know he can get a bit off message at times, and that's always the struggle, but just talk about the great things you did as president. This is an obvious contrast in policy, just try to keep it to policy, and the policies on how they help minority communities too, that's why you have so many black males now voting for Trump, not as many black women, they really have stayed pretty Democratic, but this could be a record. I think part of that is there a lot of black guys who feel like they have been targeted by law enforcement and I think they're feeling some affinity for Trump watching this trial. I think that's why you're starting to see one in three coming over to him.
Sergio Sanchez 06:23
I've got less than a minute, but Joe Biden, will he be on the November ballot, in your opinion?
John Pudner 06:32
I still think he will, but I've never seen an issue where so many people should have insights are so sure, and they are on both sides of the issue. Oh, absolutely, he's on the ballot. Oh, absolutely, he's off the ballot. I'll let them sort that out in Chicago.
Sergio Sanchez 06:45
I just find that it's crazy we're talking about stuff like that right now. Shoulda, woulda, coulda, he should have done the LBJ thing a long time ago saying he's not gonna seek the nomination, but now, it's really, really messy for the Dems. All right, John, appreciate ya.
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